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Hannah Rose Williams's avatar

Lots of good points I hadn't thought of! I also didn't know there was an official Lutheran position on the subject of whether dead saints pray. But that makes sense, as I can at least think of a time in Revelation that this happened (the martyrs asking for justice).

My main issue with this Roman Catholic tradition, while I wouldn't condemn it outright, is that it isn't quite how the catechism puts it *in practice.* They say they aren't praying to or worshiping the saints, but so many Catholics have no idea at all what their tradition teaches or means, and these ignorant parishioners act an awful lot like they're worshiping the saints.

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Thomas Wemlinger's avatar

I think you have been more than fair. Catholic doctrine turns the Gospel on its head in numerous ways (e.g. purgatory, indulgences, penance, merits of the saints, prevenient grace). It even goes so far as to acknowledge that Muslims are saved apart from Christ: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day (CCC 841)." (Interestingly enough, we Lutherans who hold to sola fide are still anathematized under Canon XIV of the Council of Trent!)

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). It couldn't be any clearer than that.

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